
"Imagine having to smoke that whole thing"

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Mickyflower |
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yes welcome to all the new mods. good luck! it gets kinda crazy sometimes.
~Shannon
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Pickwickian |
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LittleMetalBottletops |
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I want to again thank all of those Monkeelanders who have expressed their well wishes to Mare and to the new DJ moderator team. Sally and Ray, I have to say
that I am personally very upset by your reactions to the news of the change in moderators. I have been a member of Monkeeland for 2 years now, and I have never
found this board to be a matter of "us vs. them" in terms of members vs. board admins & mods, which is I believe what both of you are suggesting
in some of your posts as well as in some private communications which have been shared with me by other mods. I have generally found that many of the mods and
admins are very active and friendly members here and have been involved in many interesting and enjoyable Monkeeland discussions with other members. I dont
even see a distinction on the board between the mods & admins and the rest of the Monkeelanders here except that it has always been comforting to me to
know whom to turn to if I needed advice about board-related questions and on those occasions when they have needed to step in to help resolve board disputes
that seemed to be getting away from the intention of keeping Monkeeland a friendly and welcoming place.
I fear that your reactions to the moderator change are also less than friendly, and I have to say that this hurts me on a personal level, because I have always counted both of you among my friends on the board, and I had hoped that you would both be more supportive in your comments. It also hurts me as a member of Monkeeland who truly cares about ML and has always found it a safe and fun place to hang out and been genuinely impressed by the usually supportive nature of Monkeelanders toward one another. I know that you have both been recipients of as well as participants in that type of support. Monkeeland is usually the place that I come to to escape from some of the stresses of real life, but over the past couple of days this issue of your attitude towards the moderator change has climbed to the top of the stress factor list in my life. I havent even been able to enjoy or participate in many board discussions or even to read fan fiction, because I have been spending almost all of my online time trying to figure out, together with my co-mods and other ML mods & admins, how to resolve this issue peacefully and with a minimum of hurt feelings (some of the damage has already been done, Im afraid). Im also deeply disappointed in your comments here because I thought that both of you would have the maturity to accept the changes in the board with grace, respect the decisions of Mare, Lucy, and the rest of the ML administration and moderator staff, and to move on easily and welcomingly. I felt quite honored when I was offered a position as co-moderator of the DJ forum here at ML, but I thought long and hard before deciding to accept it. I worried about how much time being a mod would take up, I worried that taking on the responsibility of moderating would make coming to Monkeeland more of an obligation and less of just a fun way to spend my free time, and yes, I even worried that there would be times when problem issues on the board would make Monkeeland no fun at all. But I never dreamed that one of those problem times would come quite so soon or be directly related to the moderator change itself! I discussed my concerns with several of the mods and admins here, as well as with my husband and children before deciding to go ahead and accept, and I was assured of support and encouragement from all of them, no matter what I decided to do. Ultimately I accepted the co-mod position, because I thought (naively, it seems) that I had good enough people skills as well as a good enough relationship with most of the people who post here at ML to be able to deal peacefully with any issues that might arise in the forum. I am very glad to be working with co-moderators and do not think that I would have accepted the position if my two current co-mods had not already been presented to me as potential members of the moderating team. The idea that I would be working together with Tammy, who has had previous experience as a co-mod in the General Music Discussion forum as well as Jen, whose perceptive posts I have always admired, was very comforting to me. And indeed we are all trying very hard to resolve together this first issue which has been thrown our way so soon. So Im asking anyone here who has doubts or concerns about the wisdom of the appointment of the new DJ mod staff to please just give us a chance. Please lets try to maintain Monkeeland as the friendly place that most of us have always felt it to be. Lets not spoil it with snide comments and petty squabbles. I just want things to go back to normal so I can start enjoying Monkeeland again.
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JMPOTTER |
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Sally, accept. Changes are a part of life. We don't like them but they happen. I've been dealing with my Mom the last 2 months, she's 84, and she might still lose her only kidney, which means dialysis and she might not, survive the operation, about 100 things can go wrong, we are holding off on the operation, cause it's not life threatening. and neither is Mare's decision, the new mods will work out fine. Unless you plan on giving them grief. Besides as Mare stated she's not going anywhere, and I'm sure if thing get out of hand with anyone or a couple of us, she will advise the Mods on what to do or give us all some wisdom. No worries people.
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Jonesounds |
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Have a nice day.
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LaHondaAnnie |
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New Mods,
Please don't feel stressed out about this. I welcome you and look forward to seeing more of you on Monkeeland. While it's a shame to see Mare change roles, it's great to see you three step up to the challenge (and yes it can be a challenge some days!). I've been to concerts with Jen and know she'll do a great job and I'm sure Tammy and LMBT will as well. Please don't give up because of a few negative comments. I assure you they're in the minority. Good luck! Anne |
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Pickwickian |
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Thanks for the well-wishes and support, Anne and JMPOTTER! LMBt, Tammy, and I will work together to do our very best when it comes to dealing with the challenges that, as you said Anne, do come up from time to time! I hope that we are able to do even half the job that Mare has done for the past 6 years. Hey, those are some big shoes to fill! Er, I mean that figuratively speaking, of course...
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HiMyNameIsJanB |
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OK y'all. I don't come here much anymore, mostly because of all the drama.
Get a life. Mary has. This place was her respite. Now that she's found love again, she doesn't have to hide away in her computer. Not to mention that the one thing she hates is confrontation. I'm surprised she stuck to it as long as she did. Give the new girls a chance. Get over it, or learn to live with it. JanB |
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25or6to4 |
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Just to clarify some of the things that have been said about me in this thread. Yes, I did explain the gist of Ray's PM to ML admin. staff. Ray asked to be removed from the games forum, which I complied with, but it is unreasonable to expect that the rest of the staff is going to note the change and not inquire as to a reason why. I only mentioned what I thought was necessary to explain the sudden change in action. I am not a gossiper or tattle-tale by nature, and I hope everybody would realize that about me by now. If you don't, now you do.
Jan B (glad to see you here sweetie--wish it were under better circumstances) has got it spot on. Mare has decided to move on. Changes have been made. Nobody is forcing anyone to like them, but there they are. I think pleasing everybody here on this topic is near impossible. We can either deal with them and move forward, or decide that it's time to find other avenues to discuss the Monkees. While it would personally make me sad to see anybody go for these kinds of reasons, we all have to do what is necessary for our own peace of mind. I hold no ill will against anybody, and want only peace for all involved. One final note, and then I intend to leave this topic behind and move on to other things. I was out with my Dad last night, getting away from some of this craziness for a while. As we were driving around, I started reflecting on how my Dad's health has been such a topic of concern for my family over the past few years, (he's had 2 open heart surgeries, and I help him with doing even the smallest of household chores several times a week because he doesn't have the energy anymore--not something I have really shared with anybody here), and how all this unpleasantness when compared to real life stuff is so infintessimally small. I know there are many members here who have had equally as big family concerns in their lives. This place is about the Monkees and their fans, a diversion from the real world stuff. I look forward to the point when we can start realizing that again and just be friendly to one another. Life is too short for this kind of negativity. That's all. Shane
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MorroBayLakerfan |
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I wanta welcome the new mods to the davy forum too. Mare your a sweetheart and I understand your reason. I have no problems with it at all.Mare,I am glad your staying here too
Now if I can get my elbow not too hurt soo much Karen ![]() ![]() "That until mankind can extend the circle of his compassion to include all living things, he will never,himself no peace" Albert Schweitzer |
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davidshoney |
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Thanks Jan and everyone else who has been accepting of the changes.
Life is too short to put up with things that you really don't HAVE to put up with! I just want things to go smoothly and for everybody to have a good time here. That's what this board is for, at least it used to be. Give the new mods a chance for Heaven's sake! Mare
John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. Visit Dedicated to Davy at www.dedicatedtodavy.net |
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LittleMetalBottletops |
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First of all, I want to thank JMPotter, LaHondaAnnie and JanB for their words of support and acceptance.
Ray, I think there have been a few more misunderstandings, and I feel I need to clarify a few things that were or may have been misinterpreted about my previous post. 1) That post was much more from me personally than it was from me as part of the DJ moderating team, although I did ask approval of the team before posting it. All the mods and admins also had felt that something should be said by a moderator to try to bring things back on track in terms of following the basic Monkeeland rule of respect for others in this thread, and I dealt with that in my post as well. 2) The only comments of yours from PMs which Shane shared with us were those that he felt we needed to know in order for us to do our job as moderators. You wrote to him concerning moderator issues, and he shared your feelings about those issues with us. He did not share whole PMs, and he mostly tried to explain your feelings to us. Sally was contacted by one of the DJ co-mods in an official capacity as moderator through an email message previously seen and approved by the whole DJ mod committee, and we hope that she understood that her response would be shared with the rest of us as well. 3) I appreciate that you did not say anything negative specifically about the new mods on the board, and perhaps I misconstrued your use of the word "clique," but it does seem to carry a negative connotation. If you did not mean it that way, please let us know. I don't think there was any misinterpretation of Sally's statement to Molly that "you are one of them." I don't think it's my place to get into the Games Forum issue, so I won't discuss that here. I really would have liked to contact you privately, but I have no way of doing that, and I tried to be as tactful and gentle as possible in expressing my own feelings about the negative comments that had been made. I don't want to fight with you or Sally or anyone else. I'm just trying my best to do the right thing and try to help everybody (including myself) to be more understanding of each other's feelings. I don't have time to write any more now, and I'll be signing off at least until tomorrow night, but all I'm really asking for here is peace on the board. |
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HiMyNameIsJanB |
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Here I go one last time...
It amazes me that the younger people here are being adults, and the older people are having teen-age melt downs. Something's just not right... I hope you all enjoy your new status as mods. Don't let any of them scare you away. Nice to see you too, Shanie. I miss you. JanB |
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DavidForever |
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That is simply not true. Some of the older ones have been really nice about the change and some of the younger ones have been very nasty to Ray and me, especially me. Something was posted that was very, very nasty, at least as nasty as the ones Busysewing posted, against me. I did not single out anyone in particular and the person who posted one of the nastiest posts I have seen in ML was not old. The post was removed, but it was out and out NASTY. I don't have anything against any of the new mods, I just felt that Mare was much more devoted to David and MonkeeLand than a couple of them. She was more devoted than maybe anyone else here, actually. I understand her reasons and I am glad she will still be here, I never meant anything at any time against her. She has her family and her own web site and it is a lot for her to keep up with.
My comment to Molly was only a comment that she IS in the "in crowd". And I never said that those in the inner circle were against any of the rest of us, and I never meant it that way. And if any of you took my comments as rude - well- there were some pretty rude ones made in return. ![]() |
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beenaround4ever |
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I was feeling the negative vibes towards Mary from Sally too and I was trying not to say anythng but I might as well put my two cents in too.
Mare has been giving of herself on this board 24-7 over the past 6 years. It's quite a feat when people don't always get along and you have to step in..I prefer to just drop in to make sure no one has died (especially David) and the board is still standing. It's nice to be connected to other fans.. To want Mary to stay when she feels she needs to be more in tune with her family is a selfish act. We'll come and go in Mary's life from day to day but her family is there right with her and she feels she needs to give her undivided attention to them at this time. Personally I see nothing wrong with that and wish for her the very best. Welcome to the new mods too..I was so appalled by some of the reactions to Mary changing her status that I forgot to welcome them. Gail 1/2 of two |
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HiMyNameIsJanB |
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I won't waste my time on you, DavidForever. Life is too short.
Nice to see you, Gail. I hope all is well with you. JanB |
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davidshoney |
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Thank you Gail
Mare
John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. Visit Dedicated to Davy at www.dedicatedtodavy.net |
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QueenHeidi |
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I just want to say welcome to the new moderators! Mare, even though you have other priorities in life, I'm glad that you'll still be posting here from
time to time.
A Canadian Monkees Fan!
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LucyCline |
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Ok, guess it's time for my input, even though I can't imagine what I can say that hasn't already been said.
Good luck to the "Mod Squad"! I know they'll do a great job. Mary has given us 6 amazing years of leadership here. Let's now give her the break she has asked for, ok? As for the sharing of PMs.. if a mod or admin receives a PM that he or she thinks the other staff members need to be aware of, then the contents that THEY wish to share can be shared in the PRIVATE Clubhouse forum. It all comes down to this folks.. the staff here at Monkeeland do what we feel is the best interest of the board as a whole. We don't expect everyone to agree with us. No decision (even a small one) is made lightly or made alone. We run this place as a team and have our Clubhouse forum where we discuss issues with each other and pick each others brains. You can't please everybody all the time. It's a hard lesson for me to learn, because I do honestly do my best to make the majority of the people here happy. No one is tied to this place. If someone doesn't feel comfortable here anymore or can't come to terms with not only the mod changes but the Yuku changes as well, then maybe it's time for he or she to move on. I understand that change is hard, but it's hard on the staff too. Please keep in mind that we're going through the very same changes that all of you are going through and doing our very best to make the changes easier on everyone.. including ourselves. P.S. to JanB.
Love,
Lucy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Monkeeland...that's a big website..." - Micky Dolenz in the Morning (2/18/05)
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CinniLuWho |
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Thank you for that Lucy - very well put.
Apparently that hasn't worked. Your "who me, what did I do" attitude is wearing thin. Please let this serve as a warning to you, as well as to
anyone else who continues to re-hash the "what ifs", "why me's", and "why them's" here in public. If it continues, you
will be banned.
Cindi
"Be who you are, and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind."Dr. Seuss (Theodor Geisel) "Without music, life would be a mistake." Friedrich Nietzsche
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bunnyhen |
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I Love Davy. This weather has got me down in the dumps and you know what I did? I put some Davy on the cd player and just chilled out all afternoon and do I
feel better! I LOVE THAT JONES BOY!!!!
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MarieNotMaria |
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I don't login much anymore and rarely post, but OMG this is so silly.
Good luck Mare, you've worked so hard for us here, you deserve a break. Good luck to the new mod's. I dosen't matter who mods the forum, what matters is that they care about David. And just another thought, since this site is "authorized by Davy", we all know the Jones Camp is reading this, is this petty fighting how you want to represent yourself to them? Just my own opinion, don't expect everyone to agree, but I just couldn't keep my two cents to myself. MNM |
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HiMyNameIsJanB |
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Hey Lucy!!
I got the new printer, so the DVD's will be in the mail on Monday. (They look spectacular!!) JanB |
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LucyCline |
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Thanks Jan! We really appreciate it! Can't wait to see 'em!!
Love,
Lucy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Monkeeland...that's a big website..." - Micky Dolenz in the Morning (2/18/05) |
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"we all know the Jones Camp is reading this, is this petty fighting how you want to represent yourself to them?"This is so true, and David HATES this kind of stuff.
Mare
John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. Visit Dedicated to Davy at www.dedicatedtodavy.net |
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